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ATI 4890 or 5850?
See, here's the thing. The 4890 is a lot cheaper and its clock is only slightly lower than the 5850, you guys know stuff about this. What good reasons do I have to get a 5850 over a 4890 or any other card for that matter?
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09-11-2009, 05:35 PM
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
the 4890 extreme is 850mhz core, 1950mhz memory, 5850 is 725mhz core, 2000mhz memory,
yet 4890 is $289 and 5850 is $426
I think i know which one i would go for...
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09-11-2009, 06:05 PM
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
and you can always overclock the 4890... the one i have has AWESOME cooling and hardly ever goes above 40 degrees even in this heatwave while playing intense games
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09-11-2009, 07:39 PM
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
Yeah I'm thinking of the 4890. The only difference is DX11 but nothing uses it at the moment anyway. What one you got NG?
Also, I was wondering about the power usage and the temps each could end up using/getting to.
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09-11-2009, 09:03 PM
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
the 4890 i believe uses about 340-370w of power on full load , bit higher than the gtx's which are about 270-300, but it manages to stay cooler and run quieter
temp wise your looking at 45-50 idle, ~80ish full load
im actually impressed ng's doesnt go over 40...that's quite astonishing.
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09-11-2009, 09:07 PM
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
The 5850 doesnt use much power at all, that it will save you a bit in energy bill but i havent really looked at the real world comparisons yet.
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09-11-2009, 09:13 PM
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
Yeah im impressed that ng's doesnt go over 40 too, I want to know what cooler he has on it.
Yeah I think power is the biggest issue for me as I've got a 600Watt power supply, and I'd rather not buy a new one.
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
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Yeah im impressed that ng's doesnt go over 40 too, I want to know what cooler he has on it.
Yeah I think power is the biggest issue for me as I've got a 600Watt power supply, and I'd rather not buy a new one.
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oh it used to go into the 60s while gaming but since i got a new PC case which has excellent air convections all temps dropped even my cpu by 20 degrees
heres a screenhot its 46 atm because of the fan speed being so low but u get the jist of it
and apparently i am running dx11 on this ( http://forums.gamespace.net.au/showthread.php?t=23118 ) but it could be lying!
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09-11-2009, 09:41 PM
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
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the 4890 i believe uses about 340-370w of power on full load , bit higher than the gtx's which are about 270-300
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Thats total system load. HD4890 uses about 120W on load, a good 10W less than the HD4870 and GTX280 uses about 180W on load. HD5870 uses about 160W on load. So its about on par consumption wise to a GTX285.
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Yeah I think power is the biggest issue for me as I've got a 600Watt power supply, and I'd rather not buy a new one.
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Depends on the rest of your system. A 600W PSU of a decent brand should be ample power, even for a HD5870.
I've must of said this a dozen times now.
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09-11-2009, 09:43 PM
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
Wow that's pretty awesome.
Still just gotta work out if the power requirements aren't too high for either card.
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09-11-2009, 09:53 PM
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
the HD5870 on stress tests using 3Dmark06 actually uses bugger all power. Amazing that its peaking at just under 110W for 2 billion transistors is phenominal. THO when they used furmark, it rockets up to 160W, which is still pretty amazing.
600W is fine. Just check on the brand. Remember a i7 920 at 4.1GHz, 12Gb, drives and a HD5850 on stock uses about 440W on load.
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09-11-2009, 10:03 PM
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
Yay! MaLaKa to the rescue! 
Seriously; you rock.
Yeah, well then from what you've said it should be fine on my system 
What do you think Malaka? 4890 or 5850? and why I guess?
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09-11-2009, 10:16 PM
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
I dont know where you are getting your prices but they seem awfully high
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
i run my whole system on a 600W antec power supply... i think people way over estimate the power they need...
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10-11-2009, 01:11 AM
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
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i run my whole system on a 600W antec power supply... i think people way over estimate the power they need...
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I blame hardware review sites and people miss-reading them. The most power hungry system Ive ever seen was a dual-slot AMD board running dual CPUs with 2x HD2900XTX's and that used just over 640W on load. I dont think a single card has ever been so powerhungry and hot as the HD2900XTX.
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Yay! MaLaKa to the rescue!
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Yeah, well then from what you've said it should be fine on my system
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Hahaha thanks
Well depends on what you can afford, if you plan to overclock it and what resolution you play at. A HD5850 at 1000/4900 will out-perform a stock HD5870 and will be a few fps behind a HD4870X2 and amazingly even the GTX295 but will cost you a good $350-370.
The HD4890 on the other hand comes very close vs a stock HD5850. Maybe 10-15% slower at most in benchmarks and only ever at high resolutions (1920x1200). You can also overclock that to decents speeds also, maybe not 1Ghz, but easily 900-950Mhz and probably get the memory to 4400-4600. And the HD4890 only costs about $220.
Personally, the HD5850 is a great card but I think NoGun said in another thread that it hasnt really fallen into its true price bracket for value. Sure it runs faster, cooler and has the option for DX11 titles, but the HD4890 is $130 cheaper and only performs 10-15% slower at worst.
HD4890 would be my choice if I had to chose.
EDIT: Also it depends on your CPU. If you are running an aging dualcore, like a E6400 or a AM2 X2 (even dare say a more modern dualcore like a E8400/7750X2) they would hold back the HD5850's true potential. Older CPU =/= HD4890.
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10-11-2009, 10:51 AM
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
Cheers Malaka
I'm running an E8400 now, and I'm about to buy a 22" LCD monitor as well.
I think what NoGun said seems pretty accurate, if the card were a little cheaper it would be perfect, but at the moment its just a little out of price range with the cheapest I can get to me is $360.
I've just gotta decide whether the leap for a 5850 is worth it or not, but the fact remains, I've gotta get a new GPU cuz my 8800GTX is artifacting like crazy. I've underclocked the thing now just to keep it safe.
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10-11-2009, 02:29 PM
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
Well a HD4890 would be a great jump from a 8800GTX. Should see a noticable jump in gaming at 22".
Curious tho, is your E8400 overclocked at all? Another cheap "upgrade" would be to just get a $30-40 cooler and overclock it to 3.8GHz (Higher if you want to tweak).
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10-11-2009, 08:07 PM
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
I'd like to do that Malaka, but you'd have to walk me through it. I'm a little too scared to touch that stuff.
Email me at rokshocka@gmail.com if you're up to walking a noob like me through this. I also know next to nothing about coolers except the physics behind them; yet I couldnt tell a decent one from a crappy one.
Anyway, the 4890 seems my best bet and I'll shop around for one. You guys are seriously amazing, thanks for all the help.
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11-11-2009, 06:21 AM
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
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I'd like to do that Malaka, but you'd have to walk me through it. I'm a little too scared to touch that stuff.
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Well read up on it a bit. Overclocking is perfectly safe if you have the theory down first on how it works.
Here is a good guide for overclocking E8400s - http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=717&p=0
Give it a read.
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
Cheers Malaka. One last thing. What coolers should I be looking at? what one are you using? I noticed your E8500 is at 4ghz.
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
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Cheers Malaka. One last thing. What coolers should I be looking at? what one are you using? I noticed your E8500 is at 4ghz.
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I am currently using a Coolermaster Hyper TX2 which is a horrible cheap thing. The only reason I did get it was because what I wanted was out of stock.
I would recommend a Xigmatek S1283 (The standard one). It costs about $45 and performs almost as well as the Thermalright 120 Extreme ($100 cooler).
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
Again thanks
Something I started looking into also were the HD5770 cards. And it seems the compare well to the HD4890's and offer DX11 too. The only real difference I noticed was the fact that the memory was 128bit not 256. Now, I'm not entire sure how that'd affect gaming on a 22" monitor in comparison to 256bit. Anyone else know?
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
Disregard the 5770 part of my last comment, researched further and it looks terrible for its price.
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
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See, here's the thing. The 4890 is a lot cheaper and its clock is only slightly lower than the 5850, you guys know stuff about this. What good reasons do I have to get a 5850 over a 4890 or any other card for that matter?
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4890 is last generation
5850 is new generation
5850 is roughly 4870x2 performance
Decide by looking at what you need it for, 4890 will steamroll any game you throw at it atm (except crysis). 5850 is preparation for next generation games (DX11). Currently the best bang-for-buck graphics card in all price categories is the 5850, closely followed by 4890 and probably 4850 after that.
Don't judge any graphics card by its clock speed eg a 4870 *can* (under nitrogen) hit 1000 mhz clock, but that doesn't mean it'll perform any better than the 5850 at stock clocks.
edit: not ATI fanboy here, just that their cards are better bang-for-buck no matter how you look at them.
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
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4890 is last generation
5850 is new generation
5850 is roughly 4870x2 performance
Decide by looking at what you need it for, 4890 will steamroll any game you throw at it atm (except crysis). 5850 is preparation for next generation games (DX11).
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i run crysis warhead on ultra graphics wiht little to no shutter (by little i mean in intense battles)
it has no trouble with that game
but crysis is a poor gameplay game... the game that really strugles with is stalker clear sky on full max... shutters quite a bit.
next gen cards being out before next gen games = big price tag for nothing... wait for next gen games to come out then get the next gen cards since prices will drop
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
I want to stress:
HD4890 - $215
HD5850 - $365
The HD5850 is about 15% faster than the HD4890 at 1680x1050 (less at higher res). But it costs 70% more than the HD4890 ($215 vs $360).
So the question is, would you want to pay 70% more for 15% more performance?
Value:Performance, the HD4890 is a better option than the HD5850.
Also the HD5850 is not HD4870X2 performance. The X2 is a good bit faster in most games (those that support it). The HD5850 is mainly targeted against the GTX285.
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
Well look on new egg, i got a 5870, instead, for $309, either way both, 5850 and 5870 are nice... i was considering the 4890
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03-12-2009, 08:56 PM
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Re: ATI 4890 or 5850?
How did you order off newegg?
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