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25-09-2009, 08:03 AM
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First USB 3 device appears
I know you guys think that USB could be one of the greatest things ever for the pc, but it has just gotten better. A Dutch storage company called Freecom has fired the first arrow of a new era in USB technology. With USB 3 officially called Superspeed, its new supposed speed is 4.8 gigabits per second, compared to 480 megabits, which by contrast leaves USB 2 for dead in the modern world. They released the first USB 3 external hard drive and tested it by copying over some movies. The results are scary: a 5 gigabyte movie took only 38 seconds to copy over. Unfortunately there is a downside in which you need a special PCI bus controller card to tap into the speed and special drivers that will be available for Vista and 7 (but Linux already supports it since earlier this month). What do you think? Link to the original article. Read the Article
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25-09-2009, 02:11 PM
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Re: First USB 3 device appears
That would be awesome. Though it wont be a cheap USB that you can just get for a bargain. But it will be interesting to see how it goes. thanks - Joel
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25-09-2009, 03:18 PM
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Re: First USB 3 device appears
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Unfortunately there is a downside in which you need a special PCI bus controller card to tap into the speed and special drivers that will be available for Vista and 7 (but Linux already supports it since earlier this month).
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For now, but as it comes more widely used (more devices come on the market, that can actually use/need the gbit speeds), would expect will become standard in-built on motherboards. External hard drives, direct-download off video cameras, inter-PC file transfers all could benefit from these higher-speeds, though then the bottleneck likely becomes bandwidth on the motherboard bus, hard drive read/write rates etc, so will need to see development there too to really provide maximum benefits.
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25-09-2009, 04:56 PM
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Re: First USB 3 device appears
Goodbye Firewire....
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25-09-2009, 06:08 PM
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Re: First USB 3 device appears
Was there ever really a, Hello firewire? Didn't seem to ever reach that critical mass in the market to make it a must-have.
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26-09-2009, 12:06 AM
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Re: First USB 3 device appears
Wow, with that speed, you could now have USB monitors ...
4.8Gbit approx equal to: 644,245,094 bytes/sec
This would work for WSXGA+ (aka 1680x1050)... 32-bit colour, at 60Hz
4 x 1680 x 1050 x 60 = 423,360,000 bytes/sec
And even, WUXGA (aka 1920x1200)... 32-bit colour, at 60Hz
4 x 1920 x 1200 x 60 = 552,960,000 bytes/sec
But beyond that it gets pretty border-line...
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26-09-2009, 12:11 PM
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Re: First USB 3 device appears
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Was there ever really a, Hello firewire? Didn't seem to ever reach that critical mass in the market to make it a must-have.
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Sorta. Ever ran a firewire network? I did for a while back when I only had 2 computers on my network. My brother and I's computers were right next to each other, and firewire is faster than 100Mbit LAN, so I opted for that. It is a LOT quicker. I actually saw LAN speeds of around 22MB/sec.
Firewire HAD the potential to be big. Even for things like running Local Area Networks. But, no one gave it a chance, and then Gigabit came along, so Firewire was back to only being good for high speed uploading of video, etc.
Also, Solarflare, I understand the math you've got going here, except one thing, where do you get the 4 x part from?
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26-09-2009, 09:16 PM
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Re: First USB 3 device appears
I did read that there will be a firewire V2 and there apparently a SATA 3 coming and even the HDMI v3c or d (cant remember) but they say USB 3 is quicker than all of them.
I like it but we need quicker HDD's i cant wait for the SSD's to become the norm.
Although i think networks (home netowkrs) can be quicker as a norm than what we have.
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27-09-2009, 03:33 PM
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Re: First USB 3 device appears
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Also, Solarflare, I understand the math you've got going here, except one thing, where do you get the 4 x part from?
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I'd say for the amount of monitors, in this case he's using 4.
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27-09-2009, 11:52 PM
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Re: First USB 3 device appears
Geez seems like you need to by a new pc every month to keep up with the technology.
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29-09-2009, 09:08 AM
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Re: First USB 3 device appears
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Sorta. Ever ran a firewire network?
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Never bothered, too limited in terms of distance. Fine in a home network situation providing only want 2 systems connected and they right next to each other, but beyond that, little use. To have gained the mass market appeal, needed to be usable in far more situations. But then, it was never in firewire's design to rival ethernet. (btw, it's usually bottlenecks in the I/O systems feeding the NICs that reduce transfer rates, ie hard drive read rate, motherboard bus bandwidth/clock speeds etc than the raw connection speed).
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I did read that there will be a firewire V2 and there apparently a SATA 3 coming and even the HDMI v3c or d (cant remember) but they say USB 3 is quicker than all of them.
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Sadly, the industry seems to be repeating history, once again it's going down the "competing" standards path. Where we'll spend X thousands of dollars on this, that and some other cabling system, only for years down the track, one to emerge as the accepted/preferred standard (which often as not, isn't the technically superior but rather the best marketed/financed) and so assigning all the equipment that used the "other" connectors as obsolete and needing to be replaced, costing more money. 
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30-09-2009, 09:35 PM
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Re: First USB 3 device appears
Yeah same with BETAMAX and VHS and with HD DVD and Blu Ray, the failed ones are actually superior.
HD DVD had alot more HD content than Blu ray when it came to what had to be included on the disk but Blu ray won that one.
So yes you will be right though some stpuid standard will emerge victorious in all of this.
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19-12-2009, 10:21 AM
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Re: First USB 3 device appears
Firewire is actually used in most high end audio interfaces, and with pro digital studios spending $3000+ on a high end interface I don't think USB 3 will be a firewire replacement in that regard soon. It's great to think of how many 0 latency tracks could be processed with USB 3 though..
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19-12-2009, 12:18 PM
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Re: First USB 3 device appears
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Firewire is actually used in most high end audio interfaces, and with pro digital studios spending $3000+ on a high end interface I don't think USB 3 will be a firewire replacement in that regard soon. It's great to think of how many 0 latency tracks could be processed with USB 3 though..
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Fair enough, though that's a fairly specialised area, similar to how MIDI was big in it's day, but never came into wide-spread use. There are pro/cons, having two "competing" standards does drive innovation, but it does mean that when one standard "wins" over the other (for example, VHS over BetaMax), there will be people who get caught out with obsoleted equipment.
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